Posted in Blog Entries:, Digital PR, Media, PR Issues, Traditional PR on September 24th, 2009
By Craig

(and that’s how you write a headline to alienate most of the creative’s in Scotland)

It’s a serious question and one I ask after a few months of having people point out the pro’s and cons of both MIN (Marketing Industry Network) and the CIPR (Chartered Institute of Public Relations) to me. Do they still work? Should digital types join up?

MIN aims to (in the words of the website): “facilitate the sharing of knowledge among members through a series of initiatives that will include peer-to-peer training, the publishing of research and the hosting of conferences and events. However, at the MIN’s heart will be the website and it’s here you’ll find in-depth industry white papers, research, reports and sample chapters from the latest book releases.”

CIPR provides guidance on PR-relevant issues, personal training, raising the standard of conduct and training courses.

As someone who has a background as a hack, talented reporter, cut and paste expert, rewriter, wordsmith, author translated into a few languages writer in various formats and media who is known for being relatively creative in PR ideas, stunts and activities, the CIPR would seem like the natural home. However, a lot of the work I am carrying out involves creating complete online campaigns that can also be used offline, audio, video, offering input into advertising, helping create the advertising, pictures, budget control and other activities, MIN suddenly seems like the more natural home as it goes beyond what so many – including those inside the industry – see as PR (especially in Scotland).

(The CIPR also scores a massive own goal and #prfail when you google it. The first link you get back – ipr.org.uk – is busted. Did no-one think to set up a redirect?)

So what’s the answer? Should digital operators join both, neither? Is it time for a new digital body? (I think not on that one, especially Scottish-only. To have a big enough membership you’d have to be so broadbased as to actually be ineffective) Should the NUJ (National Union of Journalists) rebrand as the National Union of Content Creators and try and sweep everyone up?

I don’t have any hard thoughts on which is best. I have friends in both and I know people who slag them both off.

And what’s the thoughts of CIPR and MIN members? Should I join both, neither? All opinions welcome on this one.

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  • Michelle Goodall

    Interesting post Craig. National Union of Content Creators….I like that!

    Econsultancy have seen a significant increase in new members from PR and communications staff and agencies in the past few months.

    I think that it’s no small coincidence that some have mentioned that they feel that some of the more traditional membership bodies do not provide the level of digital counsel and support required. Use some social media/reputation tracking tools and see for yourself what the buzz is around this particular issue.

    An important issue that they face is the prevalence of organised but organically developed networking groups that have grown through social media such as Social Media Club, The Tuttle Club and Measurement Camp. They effectively provide some key value added services such as networking and benchmarking that would have traditionally been provided by membership associations.

    Because it didn’t exist, we decided to try to make sense of the online pr/social media industry and develop an annual benchmarking report. We are now into our second year of researching attitudes towards online PR ownership, resourcing, tools, budgets etc from both client and agency perspectives and it is throwing up some interesting results.

    PR or Marketing and membership associations aside, it’s interesting to see the results and just how many marketing disciplines and how many individuals with massively different experiences and career paths are jostling at the online pr feeding trough. What more interesting is how important that this element of the Marketing and Communications mix has become from a clients’ perspective.

  • http://www.craig-mcgill.com Craig

    Michelle, thanks for that reply. I should have given you guys a plug but you have little Scottish presence (and I was writing mostly in context of my location) but you make some very good points (and do offer some fantastic events and publications).

    Something else I’m finding telling: this blog post has been up for four days and no-one from CIPR or MIN has been along to say ‘here’s why we think we’re really good’ though I did receive an email from one company saying the only reason they are in the CIPR is for the awards and given their ‘treatment’ (their word not mine) this year, they are looking at pulling out.

  • Scott Douglas

    Craig,
    Interesting debate, as ever.
    As you know I joined the CIPR Scottish committee earlier this year.
    I don’t intend to air dirty laundry, but I agree there are shortcomings in the representation – and possibly even the understanding – of digital PR.
    You also know that I firmly believe PR agencies have a golden opportunity to take a bigger slice of the comms/marketing cake in the digital age.
    So needless to say, this is a drum I am banging enthusiastically.
    Much of what happens online with the CIPR is totally controlled by London – particularly all matters relating to the website.
    There have been well-publicised issues which have distracted the CIPR in London from addressing its own web shortcomings as quickly as many of us would like.
    I can assure you this frustrates all of the Scottish CIPR committee members – and I suspect those in the other regions as well.
    However, bear in mind the CIPR is a very large and amorphous organisation. So it can’t turn on a sixpence.
    Those, like you, at the forefront of change are often frustrated at the time it takes others to catch up.
    Just 18 months ago you were grinding your teeth at the apparent inability of our mainstream newspapers to engage online.
    It is also important to recognise that the many different PR agencies within the CIPR have very different views on the nature of digital and social media. Some, like the team at http://www.holyroodpr.co.uk, are enthusiasticlly immersed and developing a range of new skills and services.
    Others are more cautious, rightly so in many cases, because their clients may be conservative and rather put off by talk of “digital’ and “social media”.
    Ultimately it is a business decision. There are charlatans pulling digital sleight of hand for paying clients who are baffled by digital. But there are many honest agencies who are resstricted in how quickly they can embrace digital when it is still so new that many clients are not interested.
    However, I believe the tipping point is close. Most people (agencies and clients) now recognise – and to some extent accept – the change is happening.
    Certainly, all of us volunteers on the Scottish committee are eager to embrace (and effect further) changes.
    I’ve repeatedly urged you to sign up. The more people on the inside speaking the right language, the better a chance to place Scotland at the forefront of digital PR.
    I don’t just see opportunities for fast moving agencies.
    A PR sector which can occupy the high (and lucrative) ground currently occupied by advertisers and marketeers would benefit us all.

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